Geneva and luxury ... shoes and some thoughts.

Oct 16, 2014,06:57 AM
 




In Geneva (today) a lot is about luxury, "mass luxury" to be exact. In just a few minutes walk you can find almost everything you want to see - available for sale.
















This time more than ever before I was told about limited edition, limited pieces, limited ... - defined by marketing and sales, only. Is there no interest (anymore) without limitation? Real luxury should be limited by itself and not by sales numbers needed. Even former regular production pieces and still in stock for some years are called limited edition today - at least in some places. And no I am not talking about shoes only ... Just have chosen shoes as an example smile

Sidenote: I liked the design of some shoes/w... on display, but quite often not the quality shown. It´s all about execution. It´s all about the details when it comes to luxury, isn´t it.


Cheers,
Oliver

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My sentiments . . .

 
 By: Dr No : October 16th, 2014-09:10
. . . to a 't'. I don't know when the word 'luxury' became conflated with the trappings of exclusivity, but at one time, the term inferred unrestrained quality without an element of elitism. Here's an example . . . . . . to illustrate my point. This Seama...  

Beautifully said...

 
 By: patrick_y : October 19th, 2014-12:23
Beautifully said. Delivering satisfaction. Over and over and over again.

I see your point ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : October 20th, 2014-10:11
but also we could say that a lot of people who wanted to get a simple VW Käfer (Beetle) in the early days they even had to save more than in your example. Still I won´t call a Beetle a luxury car, even when it offered some kind of luxury for some. OK, ok ... 

Marketing works...

 
 By: DRMW : October 16th, 2014-10:13
You don't actually have to be the best, you just need the perception that it is. :( -MW

"Marketing works..." Not for me ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : October 20th, 2014-10:15
most of the time. At least I try my best to avoid crab and always prefer to go for the "best" - even when it takes (sometimes much) longer. A well-known CEO from the watch industry just said recently that he sells at least 50 % of hot air and if there is ... 

Look like Lobbs

 
 By: Mally : October 16th, 2014-22:13
- my experience has been to stick to the last which fits/suits you the best & then they work very well. I like the quality of their top lines. That was on the shoes - on your's & the eminent Dr.'s moot point - I absolutely concur. Best Mally

"quality of their top lines"

 
 By: small-luxury-world : October 20th, 2014-10:59
Are you still referring to Lobb - UK or the other one? The former one used to be strong in bespoke but I heard they have to deal with once only customers today, which means monetary trouble in the long run. I have Lobbs from both companies and all look ni... 

Beautiful shoes are really something to be tempted by

 
 By: Mark in Paris : October 17th, 2014-10:16
But, as you said, I really learned from my own experience that beauty doesn't always sound like quality and comfort. Many low cost shops today bring good looking shoes but they don't last long (leather quality) or they are heavy and hard like wood. Usuall... 

It used to be that you get what you pay for ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : October 20th, 2014-11:09
but I learned this is not absolutely true anymore. There are some less-known companies which offer great value for the money - better quality than most of the famous ones. Haven´t tried the "new ones" yet as I still have quite a few in rotation, but that ... 

Luxury is about being comfortable and finding a partner...

 
 By: patrick_y : October 19th, 2014-12:19
Luxury is an evolving term. But it's about being comfortable. I have some fabulous hand-made shoes that are physically uncomfortable, aesthetically beautiful, but the experience is something of great mental comfort. The shoes, the after-sales service of v... 

I agree with almost all your points, but what do you mean ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : October 20th, 2014-11:11
when you say "physically uncomfortable". At the beginning or in the long run? Only the first would be ok for me. Best, Oliver

They're fairly uncomfortable throughout the entire time...

 
 By: patrick_y : October 20th, 2014-12:24
And as the day goes on, the pain of standing in a pair of uncomfortable shoes is really noticeable at the end of the day. In the morning, your feet are able to cope. But by dinner time, they're already tired and now in pain. Women who wear high heels prob... 

Pain is not acceptable for me ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : November 7th, 2014-10:42
and I guess you have to find something more appropriate for you. Even woman with high-heels addiction know that there are huge differences from brand to brand. For example: Fratelli Rossetti high-heels are quite comfortable because of a special cushion, w... 

Very interesting post

 
 By: watchthatman : October 22nd, 2014-16:28
I don't have enough experience with luxury goods to offer an informed opinion. I live in a backwater, and therefore can only see such items when I"m traveling. More and more we are confronted with all these branded items that are more often than not made ... 

Almost missed your reply. Sorry!

 
 By: small-luxury-world : November 7th, 2014-11:28
Yes, I think there is (in general) a difference when we talk about quality from different countries - at least if some outstanding skills and materials are required. E.g. Zegna Z-line used to be produced in Switzerland. Today it is (best to my knowledge) ...  

Thanks for the photos and discussion. I recently got an off the rack shirt I love by Uman.

 
 By: watchthatman : November 8th, 2014-15:08
I've never heard of them before, and it was pricey. But the cut, the finish, the material, the fit, it's amazing. I'm pampering this one, I'll only wear it on rare occasions, and I don't have a cleaner I can trust it to, so I'm laundering it myself and ai... 

New Italian hiking boots

 
 By: watchthatman : November 8th, 2014-15:27
Nothing as fine as the shoes you've shown, but fantastic in their own, italian hiking boot sort of way. ...  

the shoe I prefer for Geneva

 
 By: Tick Talk : November 9th, 2014-10:10
;-) Jeffery West ...  

Well, in your case, at least, that pair constitutes . . .

 
 By: Dr No : November 9th, 2014-13:23
. . . an accessory and a necessity! If only I could wear . . . . . . these ;-) . . . ...  

What keeps you away to wear it?

 
 By: small-luxury-world : November 10th, 2014-12:07
:-) Cheers, Oliver

I'd get laughed out of . . .

 
 By: Dr No : November 10th, 2014-13:56
. . . the pool hall wearing those ;-) . . .

Be brave ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : November 10th, 2014-13:58
:-)

LOL. Why am I not surprised?!

 
 By: small-luxury-world : November 10th, 2014-12:05
Great! Cheers, Oliver

High quality hiking boots are great ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : November 10th, 2014-12:04
and yours look very fine. What is the brand if I may ask? Cheers, Oliver

Thanks, they're Zamberlan. First time I've tried this brand.

 
 By: watchthatman : November 10th, 2014-18:29
They're model 1024. They're Gore Tex lined, which I went back and forth on, but which I will probably need for walking in the snow or stepping in the occasional stream. They're replacing a pair of SCARPAs, a beautiful pair of boots, that I'd worn for year... 

It is a small, but very fine shop. Please, don´t blame ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : November 10th, 2014-12:11
me afterwards. Let me warn you before: It will be addictive! :-) When I visited it for the first time, I was in Paris for a PuristS GTG and a fellow Purist joined me. Still it was me who wanted to have a look ... Cheers, Oliver

Lucky you ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : December 8th, 2014-09:58
let me know what do you think about ;-) Best, Oliver

I did get to see many styles at Bon Marche. They're beautiful,

 
 By: watchthatman : December 13th, 2014-03:10
and I don't think any of them would fit my feet. My favorite was the "camel" model, (photo from internet below). Any color would be fine, but the camel in red was very special. Now maybe if I'd made it to the actual store, I could have talked made to meas...  

Style only is a NoGo, I agree.

 
 By: small-luxury-world : December 21st, 2014-13:53
In some cases even bespoke does´t fit, because of the style of the chosen model. Still think you should be able to find something nice and comfortable. You will like it even more, once you found yours. Good luck! Oliver

Thanks Oliver. Next time I'm in Paris, I'll visit the actual Corthay shop.

 
 By: watchthatman : December 21st, 2014-19:48
Invest some time to see if there's a beautiful solution out there.

Interesting post, Oliver...I remembered when I was on a ...

 
 By: Clueless_Collector : December 16th, 2014-16:19
plane to China few years ago, they inflight TV had some short movies/shows and I saw this brand, Kiton. The way they introduced their brand, their heritage, factory, quality control....superb, and of course, price is very high. When I look them up, I saw ... 

Raymond, besides pricing concerns with Prada, what do you think of their quality,

 
 By: watchthatman : December 18th, 2014-04:02
relative to Hermes and LV? Thanks!

In terms of hangbags...from my wifes point of view...

 
 By: Clueless_Collector : December 18th, 2014-09:29
the leather and stitches are so much better for Hermes, LV than Prada. Also, when you feel the leather, you can see substantial differences. I think Hermes, LV are more generous than Prada, but comes with a price of course. I think it's still kind of same... 

Thanks Raymond!

 
 By: watchthatman : December 18th, 2014-10:58
Some of the Prada menswear is really nice, and I have a couple articles, but other pieces feel like anything else.

"you paid what you get for" In general I agree, but ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : December 21st, 2014-14:32
you have to be more careful when it comes to quality than ever before - with all three brands mentioned. Well, I take it as a challenge and also it saves money - from time to time :-) Best, Oliver

There is a different quality shown, depending on the product ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : December 21st, 2014-14:28
we are talking about here. It can´t be judged by brand - not anymore. In the past the quality of Hermes was superior to LV and Prada, but today it is not that easy anymore - not in general. For example, I have several bags from all three brands. I like th... 

Correct, seem big brands may at times getting what they can...

 
 By: Clueless_Collector : December 21st, 2014-19:01
when economy is getting good and consumers are happy. Arrogance is something I fear from the big names, and seems coming back. The vicious cycle of driving more revenues on the slight expenses of quality will start, from outsourcing. Just like the recent ... 

Today, quite often a discount is not a good start ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : December 21st, 2014-14:15
to get the "real thing". When it comes to brands like Hermes I never expected to get a discount, because it (almost) never happens. But even their quality depends on the collections or the specific piece. Things changed here as well :-( When I bought my l... 

Sort of agree with you oliver

 
 By: patrickmaniac : December 19th, 2014-07:52
had a mini spree in Paris when I last met up with nico. Was expecting a better experience with John lobb but corthay is still tops for me. Cheers PAt ...